OUR INTERVIEWS.
OUR INTERVIEWS.
"Who is guilty in this chaos of a life?" Reflects Rasul GAMZATOV.
The international community of the literary unions has accepted
The decision about preparation for celebrating of the 75 anniversary from the date of
Births Rasula Gamzatova - the national poet of Dagestan,
The outstanding poet and the public figure of Russia, the Hero
Socialist Work, the winner Lenin, state and
The international awards. Anniversary evening Rasula Gamzatova will pass in
To country capital in September. It is dated for Days of Dagestan in
To Moscow. The 75 anniversary of the poet will be noted and in the CIS countries...
- Rasul Gamzatovich, Vladimir Majakovskogo has such lines:
"When I itozhu that has lived..." That you would recollect from the
The big and rich events of a life?
- It seems to me, the artist does not have a result, and happens
Continuation.
- And what such happiness in your understanding?
- The happiness is an ability to avoid happiness. I every morning
I test pleasure if someone's house was comprehended by a grief. And most
Happy day for me, when on a question: "How are you doing?" - me
Respond: "Normally". But, I think, it is normal today cannot
To be: either something lacks, or something unpredictable
Occurs. And basically the corresponds to each time
Happiness. In the childhood we are happy, because not all we know...
Majakovsky correctly spoke: "it is good to the one who is badly informed". I
Was at the highest levels and much knew... The Rights was Tamerlan, having told:
"The mankind would come to horror, if has learnt, who their idols".
And in general, I knew many good people. And the new person new
Mind for me, as new happiness.
- I remember your article with the sonorous name "revolution Music",
Written by an anniversary of October. Whether your relations have changed to
To revolution and its fruits granted to the people?
- I do not know, how consider others, and I speak firmly and with conviction:
Revolution was necessary for Dagestan. Cultural, spiritual,
Social revolution. I like people who recollect the past
Kind word though many in him see only black. My friend
Dead Vladimir Soloukhin has named Lenin the enemy, but for mine
The people it the enemy were not. In the very first, heavy for Councils
Years it has given us bread, a manufactory, a font... My people were Whom
Without it?. Revolution has given to the Small people everything, that could,
Has revived them.
- You were disappointed in democracy?
- With present democracy and freedom never admired.
Therefore and to be disappointed to what. Someone has told: "When I
I see socialism, I would like capitalism. When I see capitalism,
I would like socialism ". I am similar to the person who does not know,
Where to buy products: in shop or on a market - here is not present, there
It is impossible. And consequently our time is called, probably, as the chaotic.
Unless what occurs in the country, - result of democracy?
The people beg, miners lay down on rails, block
Railways. It is democracy? The person is free today?
Certainly, those years there were lacks. But, if them to reject,
To close on them eyes, - the world was perfect. Here became fashionable
To abuse to impropriety of communists. But after all communists were and
Picasso, both Pablo neruda, and Lui Aragon, enriched the world
Culture. Bad and good is among all: both parties, and the people.
- How to you it is worked in such conditions?
- It is hard worked. So happens, that these events
Have pulled hard, when I have grown old. But I do not complain. More or less
I use glory, popularity too. People to me go. But
It is insulting, that many requests I can not satisfy. Fund Gamzatova
Helps ostronuzhdajushchimsja the products, any help renders
Fund "White cranes"... But it is not enough of it. Because it is not written.
Though I understand, that it is necessary to write today. Today it is a lot of,
A lot of humiliated and offended, and the literature should be on them
To the party. And what turns out actually? It is given rich men,
To leaders, serves them. Many untalented persons have appeared in
To the literature:
There is money - means it is possible to publish everything. Such
Amateur performance can kill advantage of the literature. - and you, as
The poet, displayed reorganisation or reforms?
- And I also did not try. I at all do not know, that such reorganisation. No
Time to comprehend, what is this the phenomenon. And in general, about reorganisation
The publicism, but only not poetry should speak. - to you never
Did not come to change thought a residence? Did not offer
To remain behind a cordon? - Is not present... Well who I will be abroad with
Avarian verses? Without verses still it is possible but how to live without
Dagestan and Daghestanis? If even there have moved all people
Dagestan, I would not wish to leave the Native land. I always wished
Another: that borders have disappeared. Birds, do not know winds, flowers
Borders, and we think out all new and new.
- What do you think of the woman?
- I always expressed the relation to the woman in verses. Is
Poets who write about men. And I wrote about women. From nurseries
Years. And never changed it. They very good friends and very much
It is thin perceive poetry. I consider, the man has the right to fight in
Two cases: for the beautiful woman and for honour of the Native land.
- You knew many poets and writers personally, read them
Products. Whom consider as more significant? - Big sees on
Distance. I consider "silent Don" as the best novel of a century. In mine
Representation the big writers Michael Bulgakov, CHingiz Aitmatov,
Vasily Grossman. Last two stayed at my place. If
Stones of my house could speak... How much writers and what
Happened at me!. As large poets I consider Alexander Tvardovskogo,
Boris Pasternak, Anna Ahmatovu, Marina Tsvetaeva, Nikolay
Gumilev, Sergey Yesenin...
- Rasul Gamzatovich, that now occurs to the Russian
The literature? - The literature should, as a torch, to shine time, instead of
To be its shade. Alas, it is impossible. Even those torches, which
Burnt, have gone out. At us was polichromatic, multilingual
The literature. It is lost. And the most terrible - the reader is lost.
Rich books do not read, and at poor there is no money that them to buy.
From a curve stick of a direct shade does not happen.
- Whether publish you in Moscow so widely and often, as in the Soviet
Epoch? - Is not present. During that time of the newspaper and magazines to pass did not give. I was
The profitable poet. Now I were. Well and I do not wish to be knocked in
The closed doors. However, one publishing house has let out the book of mine
Verses. Left also pesennyj a disk on my verses. Them execute
Muslim Magomayev, Joseph Kobzon, Anna Herman, Jury Antonov...
- Rasul Gamzatovich, 75 years for the man are much or a little?
- To whom as. One - have not enough, another - it is a lot of. It as 75 roubles:
For the rich man - a trifle, and for the beggar - the whole status... Pushkin
Has precisely told: "the Poetry is a mood". Here from mood and
The age of a life and stimulus of a life depends. When to me it is written, I want
To live, when it is not written - I reflect: what for I still live? Personally I
It is grateful to destiny. I undertook nothing to prolong to myself
Life. I consider so: if the person spends a life in work,
It is not enough years released to it, and if simply lives, it is useless, long
Years for it - an architectural excess. It is necessary to live not long,
And it is substantial.
This dilemma was solved also by known writers. Bunin wrote: "Earlier
I thought of an easy life, now - about easy death ".
- How to you it is slept? What are had dreams?
- I badly sleep now. The sleeplessness torments. I accept soporific.
Dreams I see absolutely different. That from the father, and that from mother comes
Somebody in white also informs all: the father and mother are dissatisfied with you!
I demand the answer: why? Also I wake up. Very often in a dream me
The dog bites. Dreams different. And short. I see, how I gain
Victories which did not gain in reality. But more often the father and mother...
- About what today your thoughts?
- The Dumas? About people. About an aul. About destiny of Dagestan. I reflect over
For the sake of what millions people were lost, and among them my brothers,
On war? Who is guilty in this chaos of a life: road, on which we
We go, or horsemen without a head? Andron Konchalovsky has declared: "Who
Itself does not like, that cannot like others ". And I with its concept
It do not agree. I consider, that the careful relation to comes to an end
The negligent relation to another. And others not liking, and to like not
You can.
We to ourselves do not choose a way. The way chooses us. I think often: and
It would be not bad, if human life proceeded on the contrary: from
Wise old age by a vigorous youth, from it by a fresh youth,
Then in the childhood. No, I do not joke, I am quite serious. But alas...
The conversation was conducted by Felix BAHSHIEV.
(RIA Novosti news agency).
Makhachkala.
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